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Geeked out by RAC?
Uhm... maybe I would, if XPS didn't exist. or should I say did exist?
Sorry, my point is that while the lab is doing great things to the product
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and it shows that the product isn't dead yet, the other side of the house
i=
sn't doing anything to promote the product.
What's the point about getting jazzed about a feature that is now being
vie=
wed as "RAC" (an Oracle feature that they released *years* ago)?=20
Sorry if I'm grounded in reality as to the perception of the marketplace.
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What is a decent feature will be spun as "playing catch up to Oracle".
The problem is this... The IDS market is growing in spite of IBM. Its not
=
a question of "what *I* think of as best" but what is common sense.
Sort of like Hamburger Hill in Viet Nam. US sends Army troops to take a
hil=
l, and then after a blood bath, they retreat and give it back to the
enemy.
There are cost effective things that IBM could do to promote IDS and get
go=
od PR. Only IBM doesn't want to spend the $$$. Now if this were DB2?..
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:29:58 -0700
From: redden96@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: So now Informix has RAC
To: informix-list@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
just meant that I was pretty geeked out about "RAC" on Informix. I would
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assume that most other Informixers would be too. But instead of being
geeke=
d out about it you proceed to tell everyone what's wrong with the world.
Yo=
u cannot be pleased by IBM, they won't do what you think is best. Maybe a
s=
ad reality but a reality nonetheless.
When someone gives you a bowl of soup, do you say thank you and eat it or
c=
omplain because it wasn't marketed well enough, or enough effort was not
pu=
t into pouring it into the bowl?
I'll say no more because I don't want to contribute to the demise of this
t=
hread.
Happy Informixing.
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From: Ian Michael Gumby <im_gumby@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
To: DL Redden <redden96@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>; informix-list@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:22:17 AM
Subject: RE: So now Informix has RAC
All the fun?
Naw. It must be that you have a boring life that you consider this *fun*.
When you get to blow something up, then you're having fun.
IDS isn't fun, its business.=20
The issue is that you have a very *viable* platform and its slowly getting
=
killed because of the business side of the shop.
You want fun, then lets talk about embedding an open source math library
in=
the engine.
You want fun, set up an HACMP set of servers, pull the plug on your main
se=
rver forcing a crash, and then wait 5 minutes before putting the cord back
=
in, and then rebooting. Time how long it takes to fully recover. (That's
fu=
n, right?)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:28:29 -0700
From: redden96@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: So now Informix has RAC
To: informix-list@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
suck all the fun out of this forum.
Maybe you just need to get laid. Smile a little, you'll like it.
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From: Ian Michael Gumby <im_gumby@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
To: ibmsoftwarequestions@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
informix-list@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:58:18 AM
Subject: RE: So now Informix has RAC
> From: ibmsoftwarequestions@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>=20
> Great news from IBM and shows continued commitment to Informix and
> developing Informix technology.
>=20
That was never in question since Janet left the building.
I think Janet left the building because IDS in the LUW (why I included
wind=
ows I don't know...) space is the best performer.
What was in question is when would the marketing/sales/higher ups grok
what=
they had and started to push it to the public.
The reason I griped about IBM wasn't the techies in the lab. (Including
Ser=
ge and the guys in Markham.) It was the fact that Databases were being
trea=
ted as a commodity and IDS was being shoved to the side as IBM flogged DB2
=
to the m*****. Even in white papers publi****ng cute "hacks" by Martie
Lauri=
e on an IDS project have to mention DB2...=20
You want to go head to head against Postgress and Oracle, IDS will crush
th=
em in terms of
performance and ease of use. (Not to mention TCO)
But the "wins" and "customer success stories" aren't coming from IBM, but
t=
he Ron Flannery(s) and Bell Micro(s) of the world. (And I know Paul and
Stu=
art are going to slam me for not mentioning their companies.)
The extensability is an under appreciated and under used feature because
th=
e sales teams don't understand it and the competition doesn't offer it.
So why hasn't IBM capitalized on this? Why don't they offer research
grants=
? Why haven't they cross pollinated their "boffins" in NY to take
advantage=
of it?
I know Jerry K can't be everywhere, but where is his sup****t from the
sales=
side? (This is why you have BDMs.)
But hey! What do I know? ;-)
Make i'm yours. Create a custom banner to sup****t your
cause.
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Geeked out by RAC?<br><br>Uhm... maybe I would, if XPS didn't exist. or
sho=
uld I say did exist?<br><br>Sorry, my point is that while the lab is doing
=
great things to the product and it shows that the product isn't dead yet,
t=
he other side of the house isn't doing anything to promote the
product.<br>=
<br>What's the point about getting jazzed about a feature that is now
being=
viewed as "RAC" (an Oracle feature that they released *years* ago)?
<br>So=
rry if I'm grounded in reality as to the perception of the
marketplace.&nbs=
p; What is a decent feature will be spun as "playing catch up to
Oracle".<b=
r><br>The problem is this... The IDS market is growing in spite of
IBM.&nbs=
p; Its not a question of "what *I* think of as best" but what is common
sen=
se.<br><br>Sort of like Hamburger Hill in Viet Nam. US sends Army troops
to=
take a hill, and then after a blood bath, they retreat and give it back
to=
the enemy.<br><br>There are cost effective things that IBM could do to
pro=
mote IDS and get good PR. Only IBM doesn't want to spend the $$$. Now if
th=
is were DB2?..<br><br><br><br><br><blockquote><hr>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008
08=
:29:58 -0700<br>From: redden96@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: So now Informix
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e: 12pt;">I just meant that I was pretty geeked out about "RAC" on
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.. I would assume that most other Informixers would be too. But instead of
b=
eing geeked out about it you proceed to tell everyone what's wrong with
the=
world. You cannot be pleased by IBM, they won't do what you think is
best.=
Maybe a sad reality but a reality nonetheless.<br><br>When someone gives
y=
ou a bowl of soup, do you say thank you and eat it or complain because it
w=
asn't marketed well enough, or enough effort was not put into pouring it
in=
to the bowl?<br><br>I'll say no more because I don't want to contribute to
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>To: DL Redden <redden96@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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All the fun?<br><br>Naw. It must be that you have a boring life that you
co=
nsider this *fun*.<br>When you get to blow something up, then you're
having=
fun.<br><br>IDS isn't fun, its business. <br><br>The issue is that you
hav=
e a very *viable* platform and its slowly getting killed because of the
bus=
iness side of the shop.<br><br>You want fun, then lets talk about
embedding=
an open source math library in the engine.<br><br>You want fun, set up an
=
HACMP set of servers, pull the plug on your main server forcing a crash,
an=
d then wait 5 minutes before putting the cord back in, and then rebooting.
=
Time how long it takes to fully recover. (That's fun,
right?)<br><br><br><b=
r><blockquote><hr>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:28:29 -0700<br>From:
redden96@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: So now Informix has RAC<br>To:
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e: 12pt;">You suck all the fun out of this forum.<br><br>Maybe you just
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d to get laid. Smile a little, you'll like it.<br><br><div
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mily: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">-----
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<im_gumby@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>T=
o: ibmsoftwarequestions@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
informix-list@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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<br><br>> From: ibmsoftwarequestions@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
><br>> <br>>
G=
reat news from IBM and shows continued commitment to Informix and<br>>
d=
eveloping Informix technology.<br>> <br><br>That was never in question
s=
ince Janet left the building.<br><br>I think Janet left the building
becaus=
e IDS in the LUW (why I included windows I don't know...) space is the
best=
performer.<br><br>What was in question is when would the
marketing/sales/h=
igher ups grok what they had and started to push it to the
public.<br><br>T=
he reason I griped about IBM wasn't the techies in the lab. (Including
Serg=
e and the guys in Markham.) It was the fact that Databases were being
treat=
ed as a commodity and IDS was being shoved to the side as IBM flogged DB2
t=
o the m*****. Even in white papers publi****ng cute "hacks" by Martie
Laurie=
on an IDS project have to mention DB2... <br><br>You want to go head to
he=
ad against Postgress and Oracle, IDS will crush them in terms of
performance and ease of use. (Not to mention TCO)<br><br>But the "wins"
an=
d "customer success stories" aren't coming from IBM, but the Ron
Flannery(s=
) and Bell Micro(s) of the world. (And I know Paul and Stuart are going to
=
slam me for not mentioning their companies.)<br><br>The extensability is
an=
under appreciated and under used feature because the sales teams don't
und=
erstand it and the competition doesn't offer it.<br><br>So why hasn't IBM
c=
apitalized on this? Why don't they offer research grants? Why haven't they
=
cross pollinated their "boffins" in NY to take advantage of it?<br>I know
J=
erry K can't be everywhere, but where is his sup****t from the sales
side?&n=
bsp; (This is why you have BDMs.)<br><br><br>But hey! What do I know?
;-)<b=
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