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thank you, your eyes are going, but that's just fine :)
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i agree... there may be a bit of a gap between our age pyramid and the
youn=
ger kids... but ... well, we get to work longer if we choose.... which is
n=
ot really so bad in an industry that tends to throw us older folks out too
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soon ....
i remember the day when i realized i was no longer the youngest person in
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he training class ....
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From: J=F6rg Volz [mailto:Joerg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thursday, May 08, 2008 1:25 AM
To: Sebastian, Norma J.; Neil Truby; Informix list
Subject: AW: Musings on the IIUG Conference 2008
Your eyes and brackets betrayed you. You looked like my 14 year old
daughte=
r :-)
=20
Honestly, usually I am in the upper third with the old guys and the
younger=
s have the majority. And I did notice the younger than me people
attending,=
so I was not in the wrong sessions ;-) Lets say the age pyramid is a bit
=
on the old side, but a new age pyramid around 25 is growing. And that
littl=
e gap between both pyramids shouldn=B4t disturb much.
=20
=20
regards,
Joerg Volz=20
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Von: Sebastian, Norma J. [mailto:NormaJean.Sebastian@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Do 08.05.2008 02:21
An: J=F6rg Volz; Neil Truby; Informix list
Cc: Sebastian, Norma J.
Betreff: RE: Musings on the IIUG Conference 2008
I think you were in the wrong sessions :)
being in the 40-ish age bracket myself, unless my eyes deceived me, I
thoug=
ht I saw an interesting number of younger folks.
=20
seriously, if you have contacts at universities or other youth oriented
ven=
ues and would like some focus there, get in touch with me. I had some
seri=
ous discussions with IBM at the conference regarding this very topic.
=20
thanks much,
Norma Jean Sebastian
=20
=20
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From: informix-list-bounces@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of J=F6rg Volz
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 3:40 PM
To: Neil Truby; Informix list
Subject: AW: Musings on the IIUG Conference 2008
I totally agree, with my nearly 40 years I felt very young. But who says
th=
at only the young guys can do IT?
So think positive, when the younger DBAs have a family, kids and
rediscover=
their hobbys again, they will move from Oracle to Informix to get the
time=
they need. ;-)
=20
But: I was (positive!) surprised about the percentage of women attending
th=
e meeting.
=20
=20
Joerg Volz=20
(sorry for the big automatic disclaimer, but in Germany it=B4s law)
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observation that I omitted for some reason, but several people
commented
upon it, was the high average age of the attendees. Robert, who also
attended from Ardenta, is in his his early thirties and I wuld say he was
very comfortably in the bottom decile of the age distribution. I have one
Informix specialist at Ardenta who is still not 30, but he seems to be an
aberraton in this respsect, and a good 10-15 years younger than the
average
Informix expert.
I think this is quite a worrying demographic for Informix - clearly many
years have gone past since youngsters think it worth studying - and this
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renewed vigour of IBM's promotion.
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class=3D502391200-08052008>thanks much,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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