joel garry schrieb am 28.04.2008 in
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> On Apr 28, 4:09 am, Andreas Mosmann <mosm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Sorry, why do you think I did not try to troubleshoot this? Sure I am
>> part of the problem and the admin is it too. But in my opinion oracle
is
>> reason for it because there is no intuitive to do some standard
actions.
> Backups and recovery are simply not intuitive to begin with. The
> "standard actions" have no standards.
The "standard action" I look for is a clone of a database. I am sure
that
it depends of the point of view, but I am a software developer and as
such I often need an actual copy of the database to try something.
And I suppose that most databases and of course oracle databases too are
delivered with an application using the database.
>>
>> I read a lot of your answers and there was a lot of helping answers.
>> But please accept, that oracle is not that userfriendly as it should in
>> my sight.
>>
> I've long said the same thing, but they've addressed some of the
> issues, and other issues derive directly from the richness and depth
> of Oracle's functionality.
> I've directly observed a number of SQL-Server apps crash
> unrecoverably, because of the lack of administration. And my-sql is
> just barely starting to even address backups. So your complaints are
> really kind of "it's the worst except for all the others," and perhaps
> unjustified positive assumptions about your admin and how things
> should and do work.
I am willing to learn, but it is impossible to learn all the oracle
knowledge AND to be a good software developer. I am not responsible for
backup and recovery, I (as probably all software developers) only
frequently need a copy of an actual database.
And by the way: shortest way for me was to ex****t/im****t a user of a
database, but when I started to use a blob field it did not work
anymore.
Call me a fool, but it seems to be a bug!
But now I found out that I can ex****t/im****t the complete database as
system and it takes more time and warns me much more than before, but it
works.
I come along with oracle but in my opinion it must be allowed to wish
things that still doesn't exist. And I am sure that I am not the only
one with these wishes. Maybe there will be a version where the
enterprise manager has a button "Clone a DB" and if you start it will
ask you the following questions:
- server?
- sys/system - passwords?
- shrink db?
- delete existing db?
and all the other information concerning operation system, installed
oracle version/patchlevel and whatever it finds out itself.
Dream a little dream ...
> jg
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is bogus.
> http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/25.12.html#subj3
Thank you for your answer.
Andreas Mosmann
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