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Re: Password untangling

by "Peter McMurray" <excalibur21@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 17, 2008 at 04:52 AM

Thanks Mark
That makes me feel a lot better.  I must say that I had completely
forgotten 
about that one and had been working up my own, it is not exactly 
highlighted.  I do use UC a fair bit but it is fairly simple to bypass and

reset.  Does the length of the seed affect the strength of u9d?
Peter McMurray
"Mark Brown" <Mark_Brown@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:NPWdnfkn7Jz5dUDanZ2dnUVZ_uCinZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> The encryption done on D3 in the Password routine creates an eight byte 
> hex string by adding and multiplying and folding at the binary level. 
It 
> cannot be "decrypted", although there are a number of good breakers that

> simply encrypt samples until a match is found.  I use one written by 
> Malcolm Bull.
>
> There is a true data encryption decryption ability built into D3, the
user 
> exit U9D.  It encrypts the data and then decrypts it back.  I've never 
> heard of anyone who could break it, but probably no one has ever really 
> tried.
>
> encrypted.data = iconv(seed:@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
'u9d')
> decrypted.data = oconv(seed:@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
'u9d')
>
> I once described a three-lock-box style of encryption, where the data
was 
> encrypted 3 times: system, user and application.  It would take 3 
> passwords and would be theoretically unbreakable.
>
> Mark Brown
>
> "Excalibur" <excalibur21@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
> news:DfjDj.26523$421.15767@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Hi
>> I am obviously too old and naive as I was shocked to discover the 
>> Australian
>> Tax Office advising people where to find Password Crackers.  I can see 
>> that
>> there is a problem with disgruntled employees locking up stuff then 
>> shooting
>> through but given all the codswallop that we have gone through with the
>> infamous duo of Sarbanes and Oxley this seems to be a pretty major
hole.
>>
>> John the Ripper does unix variants such as linux and windows
>> www.openwall.com
>> www.lostpassword.com does just about any commercial software from MYOB
>> through zip and Windows server.
>>
>> My question to the group is does anyone have any idea how safe the
>> encryption is on our multi value systems?  I am thinking of QM for 
>> example
>> and I am also looking at D3 since I have been trying for years to 
>> convince
>> clients of the im****tance of guarding Master/Visa card information.  Of
>> course as long as people insist on printing the items out - I carefully

>> did
>> not provide such a facility, so I discovered a client bringing it up,
>> hitting PrintScreen and leaving the output lying around the office. 
>> Since
>> they can do this with the Bank's own interface software my puny efforts

>> seem
>> pointless.
>>
>> Then of course we have the sheer genius of users with departments like 
>> the
>> British Civil service sending the database of the entire social service
>> clients on a cd by way of a bloke on a bike.  The Australian Army
officer
>> who left the CD in the departure lounge PC drive to be found by a 
>> re****ter
>> no less.  I am quite sure that the Yanks can provide us with even
better
>> examples.
>>
>> Peter McMurray
>>
>>
>
 




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Password untangling
"Excalibur" <  2008-03-17 00:50:43 
Re: Password untangling
"Mark Brown" &l  2008-03-16 20:37:55 
Re: Password untangling
"Peter McMurray"  2008-03-17 04:52:58 
Re: Password untangling
"Mark Brown" &l  2008-03-17 07:08:03 
Re: Password untangling
GVP <gvp@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-16 22:45:11 
Re: Password untangling
GVP <gvp@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-16 22:55:30 
Re: Password untangling
"Mark Brown" &l  2008-03-17 07:12:22 
Re: Password untangling
"Peter McMurray"  2008-03-17 23:06:16 
Re: Password untangling
"Peter McMurray"  2008-03-18 00:37:33 
Re: Password untangling
"Mark Brown" &l  2008-03-17 21:18:28 
Re: Password untangling
mark.fuller@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-17 01:42:44 
Re: Password untangling
Tony Gravagno <address  2008-03-17 10:42:07 
Re: Password untangling
"Peter McMurray"  2008-03-17 23:00:24 
Re: Password untangling
"Peter McMurray"  2008-03-17 23:00:24 
Re: Password untangling
GVP <gvp@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-17 08:24:32 
Re: Password untangling
"Mark Brown" &l  2008-03-17 08:52:32 
Re: Password untangling
GVP <gvp@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-17 08:58:04 
Re: Password untangling
GVP <gvp@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-17 09:00:43 
Re: Password untangling
"Mark Brown" &l  2008-03-17 21:10:43 
Re: Password untangling
Kevin Powick <kpowick@  2008-03-17 12:39:33 
Re: Password untangling
Tom Phillips <squash@[  2008-03-17 14:11:06 
Re: Password untangling
Kevin Powick <kpowick@  2008-03-17 14:45:47 
Re: Password untangling
"Ed Sheehan" &l  2008-03-20 15:03:22 
Re: Password untangling
"Peter McMurray"  2008-03-21 00:34:11 
Re: Password untangling
Kevin Powick <kpowick@  2008-03-17 19:03:46 
Re: Password untangling
"Peter McMurray"  2008-03-18 02:55:49 
Re: Password untangling
Kevin Powick <kpowick@  2008-03-20 20:59:40 
Re: Password untangling
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