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Re: Password untangling

by "Peter McMurray" <excalibur21@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 21, 2008 at 12:34 AM

Hi
Why not just automatically rewrite with rubbish all variables used to 
calculate the seeds before exiting a program?
Peter McMurray
"Ed Sheehan" <NOedsSPAM@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:frujf4$bs$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "Kevin Powick" <kpowick@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
> news:d6bca0fc-008b-438c-925a-7ee6d59dd10a@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Mar 17, 5:11 pm, Tom Phillips <squ...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>> PS: Did y'all read about the college folks that bypassed laptop hard
>>> disk encryption by cooling the cpu chip - and reading it's memory with
>>> another machine? It seems that the user password was laying around in
>>> memory in it's original state.
>>
>> Yes, but I believe it was the memory that they cooled, not the CPU.
>>
>> http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2008/02/21-0
>>
>> The technique successfully subverted all major encryption engines out
>> there.  Other groups have  now shown that with a common can of freon,
>> memory chips could be cooled, removed from one machine, then put in
>> another, where they could then be interrogated for data (password)
>> retrieval.
>>
>> This is a big problem for encryption software as unencrypted keys must
>> reside in RAM as long as the encryption software runs.  Also consider
>> that most software is unlikely to erase memory buffers after handling
>> data.  So although you may have encrypted a sensitive MS Word
>> do***ent, ****tions of that do***ent will remain in RAM, in an
>> unencrypted state.
>>
>> There is no simple "fix" for these problems, as it would require a
>> fundamental change to how RAM works.
>>
>> --
>> Kevin Powick
>
> How about a "secure shutdown" mode, whereby, after all programs are 
> unloaded, a hardware circuit would write ones and zeroes or other
patterns 
> throughout all ram, thereby removing all traces of previous data. As
long 
> as people want instant access to their unattended computers, there will
be 
> a need to physically secure them.
>
> There are security protocol standards which may need to be updated,
given 
> this new information.
>
> Ed
>
 




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Password untangling
"Excalibur" <  2008-03-17 00:50:43 
Re: Password untangling
"Mark Brown" &l  2008-03-16 20:37:55 
Re: Password untangling
"Peter McMurray"  2008-03-17 04:52:58 
Re: Password untangling
"Mark Brown" &l  2008-03-17 07:08:03 
Re: Password untangling
GVP <gvp@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-16 22:45:11 
Re: Password untangling
GVP <gvp@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-16 22:55:30 
Re: Password untangling
"Mark Brown" &l  2008-03-17 07:12:22 
Re: Password untangling
"Peter McMurray"  2008-03-17 23:06:16 
Re: Password untangling
"Peter McMurray"  2008-03-18 00:37:33 
Re: Password untangling
"Mark Brown" &l  2008-03-17 21:18:28 
Re: Password untangling
mark.fuller@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-17 01:42:44 
Re: Password untangling
Tony Gravagno <address  2008-03-17 10:42:07 
Re: Password untangling
"Peter McMurray"  2008-03-17 23:00:24 
Re: Password untangling
"Peter McMurray"  2008-03-17 23:00:24 
Re: Password untangling
GVP <gvp@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-17 08:24:32 
Re: Password untangling
"Mark Brown" &l  2008-03-17 08:52:32 
Re: Password untangling
GVP <gvp@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-17 08:58:04 
Re: Password untangling
GVP <gvp@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-17 09:00:43 
Re: Password untangling
"Mark Brown" &l  2008-03-17 21:10:43 
Re: Password untangling
Kevin Powick <kpowick@  2008-03-17 12:39:33 
Re: Password untangling
Tom Phillips <squash@[  2008-03-17 14:11:06 
Re: Password untangling
Kevin Powick <kpowick@  2008-03-17 14:45:47 
Re: Password untangling
"Ed Sheehan" &l  2008-03-20 15:03:22 
Re: Password untangling
"Peter McMurray"  2008-03-21 00:34:11 
Re: Password untangling
Kevin Powick <kpowick@  2008-03-17 19:03:46 
Re: Password untangling
"Peter McMurray"  2008-03-18 02:55:49 
Re: Password untangling
Kevin Powick <kpowick@  2008-03-20 20:59:40 
Re: Password untangling
"mvdbms@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-03-23 19:50:45 

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